Reader Mark Martinez suggested I post a blog on this news item, to see if Renton readers have any reactions they wish to share.
I was at city hall visiting with Mayor Law when the news first broke on this tragedy (it was right after the transportation meeting I blogged about below), and our first shared comments were that it was another serious human tragedy, rooted in mental illness, and it seemed clear that the police could not have done anything any quicker.
As the news has unfolded over the last few days, it is clear that the shooter was a very complex young man, who was indeed struggling with emotional issues. It sounds like he had engaged and caring parents, who made their best efforts to get him treatment. And today’s story indicates he also had a loving girlfriend, who cared about him. It is incredibly sad, but very common, that even with so many people who loved him, and professional treatment providers, their efforts were not enough to save him from his demons; and far more tragic that in his psychosis he killed and injured so many innocents before he took his own life.
It sounds like the gun that did most of the damage was a shotgun, that has a legitimate use for hunting. There were no exotic automatic weapons to blame in this case. And the police were there quickly, but not before all the damage was done. The shooter had already killed 5 and injured 18, and taken his own life in mere minutes if not seconds. There was no claimed “cautious holding-back” by the police that has been the subject of debate in other school shooting situations.
So, I’m sad to say that if there is a lesson to be learned, it may be that not all human tragedies are preventable in a free nation. This one initially looks like everyone except the shooter did everything right, and the shooter himself had cooperated in steps to get treatment for his mental illness.
Perhaps the only debate that might ensue, is that there will be some that suggest that it was a mistake to allow someone with a history of mental illness to purchase guns. This argument has some merit, but it is risky to go this direction if the young man had no “criminal” history of mental illness. It may be counter-productive to penalize people who have sought counseling, anger management training, psychotherapy to help them through a crisis, etc by taking away any of their rights. In general, it is the UNTREATED mentally ill that put the population at risk, not the people who are responsible enough to seek help. And we DON’T want to stop people from seeking help. Such a change could have the unintended consequence of increasing homicide and suicide rates. Existing laws require professional therapists to let law enforcement know if a patient appears to be a risk to themselves or others… and this should be good enough.
If someone has been found “criminally” ill, where the criminal justice system has found and treated the illness, then taking their gun rights makes more sense.
My last thought on this topic is to tell people that if you feel you are likely to kill yourself, tell someone. And whatever you do, if you must take your own life, don’t take other people with you! Saint Peter will be much more sympathetic if one arrives at the pearly gates alone… even an agnostic can see that if there is any possibility of an after-life one should not drag innocent bystanders into one’s self destruction. And the public will be much more sympathetic to one’s family and loved ones if he has not killed others before killing himself; this is important, because loved ones suffer immensely from suicide anyway, and this type of tragedy could be too much for a parent to bear.
I’m curious to hear your thoughts.
Here is today’s story:
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University shooter’s girlfriend: I couldn’t believe it
WONDER LAKE, Illinois (CNN) — The girlfriend of the gunman who killed five people and then himself at Northern Illinois University last Thursday told CNN there was “no indication he was planning something.”
Jessica Baty said her boyfriend, Steve Kazmierczak, gave no warning of the terror he planned to unleash at NIU.
“He wasn’t erratic. He wasn’t delusional. He was Steve; he was normal,” Jessica Baty tearfully said in an exclusive interview Sunday.
Baty, 28, said she dated Steven Kazmierczak off and on for two years and had most recently been living with him.
“He was a worrier,” she said. He once told her he had “obsessive-compulsive tendencies” and that his parents committed him as a teen to a group home because he was “unruly” and used to cut himself, she said.
“The way he explained it to me, he had some obsessive-compulsive tendencies,” she said. “He was worried about everything, he worried about me.”
But, she added, that he had never exhibited self-destructive behavior during their time together. “Everybody has a past, and everybody goes through hard times,” Baty said.
Kazmierczak had been seeing a psychiatrist on a monthly basis, Baty said, and was taking an anti-depressant. But he had stopped taking the medication three weeks ago, “because it made him feel like a zombie,” she said.
“He wasn’t acting erratic,” she said. “He was just a little quicker to get annoyed.”
Police say that on Valentine’s Day Kazmierczak burst into an NIU geology class and opened fire with at least a shotgun and two handguns, killing five students while dozens fled for their lives.
Authorities were on the scene within a few minutes but by the time they reached the classroom, Kazmierczak, 27, had shot himself to death.
Baty knew her boyfriend had purchased at least two guns. He told her they were for home protection.
The day of the shooting, Baty was in class at the University of Illinois where she and Kazmierczak had transferred from NIU. He pursuing a master’s degree in sociology, and she a master’s in social work. He planned to study law and had signed up to take the LSAT test, while she hoped to get her doctorate in social work.
The students in her class began to talk about a mass shooting taking place at NIU in DeKalb, Illinois.
Oblivious that Kazmierczak could have anything to do with it, Baty said she had tried calling him several times Thursday, but her calls went directly into his voice mail.
“I was worried about him because he was supposed to come to class,” she said. “He never missed a class.”
Kazmierczak “told me that he loved me and that he would see me on Thursday and missed me,” she said. “That whole week I talked to him; he sounded fine.”
When she learned that Kazmierczak was the shooter, “I couldn’t believe it,” she said.
“I said, ‘No, you have the wrong person.’ He’s not in DeKalb. He wasn’t supposed to be there. He was on his way home to see me. It didn’t make any sense at all.”
She had last seen him Monday morning, when he told her he was planning to drive north to visit his ill godfather who he had not seen in a long time.
Kazmierczak “told me that he loved me and that he would see me on Thursday and missed me,” she said. “That whole week I talked to him; he sounded fine.”
“The Steven I know and love was not the man that walked into that building,” she said. “He was anything but a monster. He was probably the nicest, most caring person ever.”
She said she was talking to the news media about Kazmierczak because, “He cannot be defined by his last actions. There was so much more than that.”
Since Thursday, Baty said authorities have intercepted several packages Kazmierczak sent her, including several items such as: the book “The Antichrist” by Friedrich Nietszche; a textbook for her class about serial killers; a package with a gun holster and bullets; a new cell phone that she had told him she wanted and about $100 in cash.
She read the contents of a note he sent to her.
“You are the best Jessica!” it read. “You’ve done so much for me, and I truly do love you. You will make an excellent psychologist or social worker someday! Don’t forget about me! Love, Steven Kazmierczak.”
But there was no letter explaining the NIU slayings.
“I’m praying that there’s another one somewhere that tells why and what he was thinking and what he was feeling and why he wouldn’t want me to help him,” she said.
Though the two had chosen to transfer to the University of Illinois, “there was no hard feelings [toward NIU],” she said. “He said all the time how grateful he was that he went there.”
She said she had never known her boyfriend to lie: “He was always open and honest; we didn’t keep anything from each other.”
“I would have helped him, I would have done something for him,” Baty said. Even last week, when the two talked every night until the killings, she was not alarmed.
It was during their last conversation, a few minutes past midnight Wednesday, that she got her first inkling that something was amiss, she said. “He told me not to forget about him and he told me that he would see me tomorrow, and when we got off the phone he said ‘Good-bye.’ He never said good-bye.”
Shaking and crying, her family at her side during the interview, Baty said she still loves the man she met in a hallway at NIU when they were both undergraduate students.
Baty said she feels sorry for the victims and their families and friends. “I know what they’re going through, and I just can’t tell them how sorry I am,” she said. But, she added, “He was a victim, too, and I know they probably won’t want to hear that, but he was.”
Like comments from teachers which have been widely reported, she said Kazmierczak was an achiever who always tried to get ahead in class and seemed committed to criminal justice issues.
Pictures of their relationship don’t betray anything odd. They are scenes of the two of them smiling on Florida beaches, on golf courses and having fun at Disney World.
Teachers and others who knew Kazmierczak have said he was fascinated with prison culture. In 2006, when he was a student at NIU, police said, he worked on a graduate paper that described his interest in “corrections, political violence and peace and social justice.”
The paper said Kazmierczak was “co-authoring a manuscript on the role of religion in the formation of early prisons in the United States.”
“I didn’t think he was crazy,” said Baty, sobbing. “I still love him.”
CNN’s Todd Schwarzschild contributed to this report.
Random thoughts:
Thanks for the thoughtful posing.
An Agnostic/Atheist should realize that killing someone is even *more* heinous than a believer of God. If you believe in God, a murderer is just shortening their victim’s time here on earth and is ushering them into Heaven that much quicker. Atheists would have to believe that they the murderer took away *everything* – their life, their possessions, and their alloted time to exist.
I’ll point out that there’s a reason for the school shootings – It’s a very easy place to rack up a huge kill count without the pesky risk of someone defending themselves. Most schools are “Gun Free Zones” – one of a more piercing intent would read that as a “Victim Disarmament Zone”
If those of criminal intent and those in goverenment were never of tyraninical intents – then the citizens right to defend themselvs would be unnesessary. If we are to be our own masters, then the ability to defend our right to exist is essensical, regardless of the personal risks.
It’s simply the nature of being a free people. Anything otherwise makes us depend on the benevolence of criminals and tyrants; and history has shown us not to rely on any benevolence from them.
what to do
School shootings are a touchy subject. There are those who would suggest that there should be no guns at schools what-so-ever and the last thing we should do is arm teachers and students. Then there are others who tout the second amendment and people’s freedom to defend themselves.
While I don’t think teachers should be issued a 9MM when they get the keys to their room, I do thing those who are willing and trained could reasonably defend others. There was a story a while ago of a high school teacher who shot a student on a rampage and saved an untold number of lives. He was later fired for bring a gun to campus.
I am not a gun owner. That is because everywhere I go is a gun free zone. I am student at SU, a gun free zone, and have children in elementary school, anther gun free zone. I am also a Marine Corps rifle and pistol expert shooter as have trained over 1000 recruits on how to shoot. If I was able to carry a gun, you would be safe in a room with me in the event some crazy came in and started shooting.
Mark Martinez
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God bless you Mark. I think you are the one I met when Denis was sworn in as mayor. Were you there that night? Did you serve in Iraq? I think I have the right guy. If so, I am very impressed. You carry yourself very well and are going places in life. On a lighter note, Dino Rossi was riding around with the Renton police today. He cares deeply about crime and what is happening on the local level.
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Yes I was there for the swearing in but I am not sure who you are. I served two tours in Iraq, one during the initial invasion in 2003 where I was an M1A1 Tank Commander and again in 2005 doing convoys between the Baghdad airport and the Syrian border.
I will be graduating from SU with a degree in Accounting this June and starting with a CPA firm a few months later. I would not have been able to do it without the discipline from the Marines or the money from the VA (once they decided to start paying me).
When I am done with school I want to get involved with the Rossi campaign.
Mark
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Now I just have to figure out a way of getting in touch with you.
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I am hosting a Student Veterans Speak event at Seattle U the 20th at 7pm in the Shaffer auditorium. There will be three students who have served in Iraq and/or Afghanistan talking about their experiances and how they (including me)adjusted to student life.
You are more than welcome to come. We can talk afterwords. You are welcome to come as long as you are not a stalker.
Mark
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Mark, trust me, I’m not a stalker. You have me laughing. You’ll remember me and it will all make sense. I just want to remain anonymous on this site for business purposes.
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My dad taught me not to trust some one who said ‘trust me’.
Mark76wa@comcast.net
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Might I suggest that you use Randy as a go-between?
What a very sad event. Someone important in my life was much like Kazmierczak while in college. He was brilliant academically, had a nice girlfriend that was pursuing healthcare studies, never caused any problems with anyone. But towards the end of college and while in grad school, signs of paranoia started showing up. He was lucky to hold down a job for 6 months. We all tried helping with quasi coaching/counselling in how to deal with his feeling that people in each job were talking about him. He finally had a breakdown one day on a bus claiming the Feds were pursuing him and he ended up in the hospital where he was ultimately diagnosed with schizophrenia. He was about the same age as Kazmierczak. Years went by and as long as he was on his meds he did OK. But when he was doing OK, he’d decide he didn’t need to be on the meds or he didn’t like the ticks it caused so he’d stop taking the meds and go back to bizarre behavior. Those around him got used to the cycles of behavior and knew when to predict something might happen after one bad cycle led to him jumping from his apartment window. We took turns stepping in to help. Years later he basically disappeared. Family and friends didn’t know where he went. Like Kazmierczak, he had family and friends that really loved him, and he’d been getting help for the mental illness. But one day he was gone. We all looked for him on the streets, under overpasses, etc. He literally disappeared. A few years later, I had a phone call at night from the coroner. My name had been listed as the emergency contact. He had jumped from the top of an apartment building and had died. When I was cleaning out his apartment with friends I began calling the doctors on his medicine containers. They were shocked. He’d been in recently and they would never have predicted his committing suicide. He appeared to be doing well. I looked at his calendar hanging on the wall and he had all kinds of great activities planned for the weeks following his jump. It didn’t make sense.
What’s really hard in a situation like this is trying to make sense out of something so irrational. At some point you realize you can’t make the irrational rational, so you stop trying to make sense of it. In my dear friend’s case, the voices simply got the better of him that particular night. Even while on meds, the voices are still there but at a lower volume. His doctors also agreed that it was an impulsive act.
In Kazmierczak’s case it sounds premeditated, but there is still that level of irrationality and going off the meds, etc. I can’t help but wonder if he was dealing with schizophrenia, too.
There’s not a centralized system where filled prescriptions are logged so gun sellers or the police can run a check to see if a person is taking meds for a mental illness. And with the importance of personal liberties, I don’t know as we’d want the police to have that ability. It might lead to discrimination against those that may be on meds but are properly addressing their illness. So if we can’t do effective checks on mental illness for gun sales, it raises the issue of whether we need gun control laws. But gun control runs in the face of our belief in the right to bear arms.
This is a great dilemna involving some of our cherished beliefs on personal freedoms, and the horrible pain that the victims and the surrounding loved ones shoulder. Kazmierczak’s family and friends, and those of the victims, are all in my prayers.
Elizabeth
I appreciate your sharing your experience with your friend, Elizabeth. I too have known some teens/young adults who seemed to have everything going for them, and began to succumb to the ravages of mental illness. It is really sad, because unlike other illnesses (cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc), mental illness attacks the decision making capabilities of the victims. Hence, they are not in a very good position sometimes to make the right decisions for their care, but after they become adults, no one else can really do it for them. So if they want to drop their meds…they can.
It can be really difficult to watch someone you care about start to give in to paranoia, or voices, and make irrational decisions because of it.
We also are seeing our jail full of people with untreated/under-treated mental illness, who without such illness would have the talent and resources to conduct a law-abiding and productive life.
Lastly, I’ll add that there are those who prey on victims of mental illness, to get their money (or state money intended for them), or to take worse advantage of them. These people can worsen the problem by putting the mentally ill over the edge of suicide or homicide. Anyone who takes such advantage of the vulnerable is on my very, very bad list.
I’m always on the look out for new solutions to all these problems, and if I ever see a viable sounding community mental health program/plan, I will back it.
Sadly, none of these programs would likely have prevented the shooting tragedy at the college or your friend’s death.
Randy,
I’m a big proponent for group homes where individuals with mental illness can live quasi independent lives but in an assisted care type of environment and where there is a trained mental healthcare provider on sight. When our government decided to cut costs and release folks that were in mental institutions to the freedom of the streets, too many lost the structure and care they needed. And this is too much of a burden for family members that are untrained in proper care for the circumstances. In a group home environment, there can be counseling on the spot to help a person talk about the frustrations they are experiencing (from paranoia) and encouragement to remain on their meds. These individuals are able to live a fuller and more productive life when in this type of structure, hold down part time jobs or do volunteer work that feeds the need we each have of feeling we make a difference in the world. I found it so frustrating when doctors/counselors couldn’t talk to me because of privacy laws when I’d call to try to get a group meeting of friends/family together to know how we might best help this individual. The healthcare providers didn’t need to divulge anything of confidence but working together as a team we might have all been able to be of greater help as a support network.
So that’s my two cents worth. I really wish we could put some funding into more group home structures for those dealing with serious mental health issues. Far more effective than housing people in jail! I was just back in Washington DC with a national forensic science conference and had a chance to talk to some of the forensic specialists and a couple of the court judges about this issue as it related to the college shooting. A lot of folks are on board with the group home idea. Now we just need the local, state, and federal government on board.
Best,
Elizabeth