Many residents are saying they are not ready to replace the iconic downtown Renton library
At last week’s meeting of the Renton City Council, we had a spirited discussion about the proposal to build a replacement downtown library at the former Big 5 Sporting Good’s site next to the Piazza. This session was covered well by the Renton Reporter in this article here . Following last week’s meeting, Council has continued to receive significant email and citizen comment about the downtown library location. A few days ago we received a 43-page petition titled “Save our Library.” The hundreds of signatures on the petition were collected from library patrons during the past week. Email comments seem to be about five-to-one against moving the library.
As I said at last week’s council meeting (and discussed in a previous blog entry here ), I think we should be patient, and gather all the facts and input we can, in making the final decision about the downtown library location. I would be happier to see us first complete the proposed new Highlands library, building it to the proposed size of 15,000 square feet (increasing it from it’s current 6000 square feet.) Once it is completed and in operation, citizens could more easily evaluate whether the size would be sufficient for downtown (which is proposed for the same square footage.) Furthermore, having the Highlands library built to full size would minimize inconvenience to residents when the downtown library is worked on, regardless of whether it was moved or renovated.
Completing the highlands library first would also give us the time to complete another critical part of the plan– what to do with the building over the river if we move the library. The mayor and council have indicated that we intend to save and re-purpose this building, but the plan is not yet developed. Since there is no use defined, no one yet knows what the upgrades would cost to support any viable new use. We’ve been told that refurbishing this building to continue its long-term use as a library would cost close to ten million dollars. A reasonable assumption is that any other use would cost nearly as much, or perhaps even more, depending on how much activity was planned.
For example, the existing library is load limited in it’s central section where it spans the river (it can handle about 60 pounds per square foot), and this central section is therefore used for low-load purposes such as tables, chairs, and computer work stations. This use generates much less load than it would as a reception hall where hundreds of people could be dancing in rhythm. Ultimately, we ought to know the proposed use and the cost of retrofitting before we commit that we will re-purpose this building.
The consequences of failing to come up with an acceptable and affordable use could be severe. If the building gets labeled as abandoned, or falls into disrepair, there could be numerous agencies (Federal government, State Fisheries, Muckleshoot Tribes, etc) pushing Renton to demolish it. And demolishing it would not be cheap– many expensive permits would be required, salmon-migration dates observed, and contractors paid. We’ll have to keep the building maintained and in some type of use, with the heat and lights on, to prevent this fate. This could take us many years. I won’t feel comfortable promising citizens that we are keeping the building until this plan, including the funding, is worked out.
The above is the header page of a 43 page petition, with up to twelve signatures per page. The petition submitters have said that they are gathering more signatures daily.
I’ve included two examples of recent emails we have received below, one in favor of moving the library, and one against.
Two emails received recently at city hall. (I think the city email system lost the formatting on the second one… sorry about that)
I wanted to tell you how excited I was to hear of the new library location. As a business owner in downtown Renton for 17 years I wholeheartedly support the move and feel it is a step in the right direction in the revitalization of the downtown area. All the patients that come through our dental office who are aware of this issue also are in support of the move and are excited as I am. I look forward to seeing the progress
From L.F.
I have been a resident of City of Renton for 39 years and I am against moving the operations of the existing 100 Mill Ave. Library. … The current library is high tech already, contributing to KCLS being named the largest system in the nation. Its a little bit bigger (by 5000 ft2) then recommended for the relocation. Great, we can accommodate some more growth at little cost. There are many computers already installed (60+). Operation of the library appears to be going well with lots of customers being helped. The current library is used as a library so must meet code. It certainly is serving or at least complying with code and being occupied as a library now. Why do we have to upgrade (electrically, mechanically, and seismically)? Are upgrades required to stay at the current location? KCLS and the City of Renton have determined that seismic upgrades and remodeling of the current library would be to costly to undertake, meaning to me that it must do it to stay at the current location. Then, for any other building usage it will be a costly project. The current library lying across the Cedar River is single story and supported by massive concrete beams five feet deep. Mechanical and Electrical was upgraded 15 years ago. Use the existing facility making no major changes until sometime in the future that it needs to be torn down then rebuild it. This saves a lot of money. The existing library has great access. There is an abundant amount of car, pedestrian and bus service. It’s only 3 blocks from the transit station. It has its own parking lot with at least 60 parking spots, the buses go right by frequently and boaters, bikers and walkers can stop on there way down and up the river since the Cedar River and trail is adjacent to it. I have been there numerous times at 3 pm and barely able to find a parking spot. Adjacent to this location is another City of Renton facility (the old city hall) where people can park. The proposed location at the (big 5 ) won’t work. There is not enough street parking. A parking garage may be available but may impose a fee and it’s awkward to access. I have taken the bus a number of times downtown Seattle but couldn’t even find a parking spot at the transit station or near it, so I parked up at Main toward Renton Hill. The parking and access to the existing library is great. The setting of the existing library is excellent, located above the Cedar River. Nature at its best with the Cedar River below, fish can be seen swimming up river to spawn. Adjacent to Liberty park and a short walk to; Carco Theatre, Renton Community center, Henry Moses Aqueduct Center, dog park and a number of future soccer fields to the south adjacent to the cedar river (huge area). All part of the bigger picture called the Tri Park Master Plan. What better place could you locate a library. Our forefathers had the wisdom to pick the best spot for a library! The proposed location at the old BIG 5 store in the transit area (noted as a high crime area) is not a good location. The best location is 100 Mill Ave. S. Moving the library operations will cost tax payers millions of dollars. Using what we have costs little. The Library is up and running with little cost. Its current location is the best; in regard to cost to the public, performing as a library, location, access and parking. It retains its position as a piece of history instead of being abandoned to some low level usage or possible demolition. Where do you want your library? I want it at its current location, 100 Mill Ave S. Your consideration of this suggestion would be appreciated.
From B. G.
Personally, I would love to see a remodeled library continue to exist over the river, but I understand the logistical constraints involved in such a plan and have decided it’s not the most practical option. I also think it’s desirable to have a library in the very center of city, so I’m OK with a move in that direction, as long as the new library is done right. I think the old library building would be best used as an arts center (with public meeting spaces, too), as that purpose would probably require the least amount of retrofitting and would be in keeping with the setting.
As Randy mentioned, an important factor is that any significant renovations to the existing library building are going to require substantial permitting and approval by multiple agencies before work can proceed, owing to its site over the primary salmon-bearing river in the Lake Washington watershed. Any other stakeholders–including the Muckleshoots–could throw a wrench in the process at any time. There’s really no way to predict what sort of complications might arise and how long they’d take to overcome, and we could be without a downtown library while the red tape is being untangled. That’s not a scare tactic, it’s reality. Compare that scenario to building a new library at the Big 5 site, which would only require standard permitting, and you start to see the wisdom in constructing a new building.
That said, many of the issues people have raised about repurposing the existing library and about the location, form, and function of a new library are entirely valid, and it’s incumbent upon City leadership to effectively explore all options and address all reasonable concerns before making a final decision. I’m glad that people are engaged in the process, and I look forward to further debate.
Are you ok with the shrinking of the library? I’ll point out that we need an extra 60,000 SqFT just to bring us up to what we need (and were promised.)
I think we can do better than 15K, but it’s not an issue that’s near and dear to me, so other people can take on that cause. I’m more concerned about the design aesthetics of the new building, whatever its footprint. If the initial design sucks, I’ll take a stand.
I’m afraid you won’t be happy unless you happen to like buildings that look like a giant tumorous Starbucks. We’ll see if the firm somehow manages to get a clue in the next year.
In my opinion, best library in the world at Trinity Collage is a horrid collection of run down neo-classical garbage. It’s the books and easy access that make it special.
Tumorous Starbucks… sounds unique! I really like the Ballard library branch in Seattle. That’s sort of what I was thinking, although it might be too modern for traditionalists. I love the wood beams.
Seismic upgrades are NOT needed
If you read the library master plan study you’ll see that seismic upgrades aren’t needed. That’s a scare tactic and an excuse. The building is seismically safe, and except for HVAC (heating and AC) upgrades and some bathroom remodeling needs nothing else to be usable as a great library. Bill Ptacek has come out and said that the office spaces in the existing library aren’t needed (his excuse for building a smaller library downtown) so fine, let those spaces be re-purposed for more computers, meeting rooms and other library needs.
Please find the library master plan online, and the seismic study commissioned by the city and read them. They’re very interesting.
By the way, a former city employee who worked during the original building of the river spanning library tells me that the library was originally built to withstand a two-storey load and it’s a one-storey building, so it’s more than adequate.
Moving the library to a transit center is not the magic bullet to fix downtown. I’ve been reading case studies for successful downtown revitalizations done by the Brookings Institute and it turns out the the key is arts and entertainment with investment by retail merchants. I’ve studied the Chamber of Commerce registry, and found that many of the people on the rolls aren’t Renton residents. Why should they expect the people of Renton to pay for their upgrades????? I think the Chamber of Commerce should concentrate on sprucing up the existing retail buildings, attracting new niche retailers, and maybe doing some remodeling before they come to us hands out.
Thank you, Norm Elmlund
Right now the city quest for annexations, large projects, and combined with crappy economy, will cause drastic service cuts (or new taxes) in two years:
2011: An added $2 million per year of new library expense
2012: An added $2 million per year to cover the Skyway annexation shortfall.
2012: Property tax revenue will fall to reflect the current loss of value. My estimations are about $1 million loss.
2013: An added $1 million per year to cover seismic upgrades to vacated library building.
I’d hate to be a council members in three years. The loss of about 6 million of available funds amounts to losing 40 police officers.
Because of the KCLS Renton citizens now pay one of the highest property tax rates in King County – raising rates would probably not be a wise option.
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Another problem, the council is letting KCLS get by with underserving Renton residents. Renton residents will have the poorest service of any KCLS municipality and will receive 33% of the service that Mercer Islands residents enjoy and only 47% of the service that Bellevue residents enjoy.
Given that KCLS received $5.6 million from us and only provides service worth about $2.8 million – it’s east to see where the money is going.
During the las KCLS dog-and-pony show, Randy was the only one of our council members who questioned why we’re getting such diminished service and he has my thanks.
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Thirdly – having the city issue bonds for KCLS’ benefit is a transparent way for KCLS to get out of its responsibilities to Renton. KCLS has uses its general fund to build and improve libraries, but even though KCLS is getting more money from Renton that we use, they tell us that they have no funds for us.
Poppy cock.
What’s I find really disturbing in this whole situation is the complete lack of KCLS oversight on holding KCLS accountable for the promises of increased service. Do pro-KCLS council members think that Renton citizens are only 33% as literate as Mercer Island citizens? Of course not, but we didn’t hire council members to fall asleep at the wheel either.
Interesting fact, I am guessing that you are going by physical size of the libraries. Lets consider that at this time the 2 Renton Libraries total square footage is 28000. I forget the footage for Bellevue but I am guessing that you knew the footage. But the traffic through the Bellevue Library for March was 85000 compared to 34000 for the 2 Renton Libraries so at this time Bellevue sees 59% more traffic and yet KCLS has suggested enlarging the total footage in the Renton Libraries to 30,000, plus the fact that KCLS also has the Issaquah service center for administrative purposes(seperate from the Issaquah Library) and Preston used strictly for storage of material that is stored for future needs if and has needed.
The 60,000 you bring up is if Renton didn’t choose to annex to KCLS and instead attempted to continue Library services, this while taking cuts has the City chose to move monies from the Library System to other purposes.
By the way talk of annexing Skyway is just talk at this time. This annexation has to go to a vote (look at the results in the East Plateau and Fairwood annexation votes), after the vote if it is positive at that time the City Council will have the final decision as to whither to go forward with annexation or not.
Do we both agree? : Renton libraries are too small.
It looks like Bellevue is really enjoying and using their vastly larger KCLS libraries.
The ratio you gave between the usages of the two systems is almost exactly the same ratio of the sizes of the two systems.
Our smaller system was acceptable when we were paying $1.8 million for service, but it’s downright horrid now that we’re paying $5.6 million.
Dave, aren’t you getting triply screwed up in Benson? If I’m not mistaken you’re paying KCLS, Renton, and the KCLS Bond all at the same time?
You’re probably paying the most in King County for libraries, and there’s nothing at all near you.
Of course, I don’t feel sorry for you – we’ll maybe a little. But next time be careful for what you ask for, as you just may get it.
I wondered how long it would take for someone to point that out. It only means that I know that the Renton library needed to be improved. As far has library service I have the choice of Renton, Fairwood and Kent that is just mention the 3 closest available libraries and order of activity the libraries would be Fairwood, Kent and bringing up the rear would be Renton.
Put simplely I know exactly what I asked for.
How come KCLS never built a library close to you?
Can you pay me $200 a year? I promise to build a nice greenhouse for myself. You can drive to it and look at it.
Thank you for the continuing updates on the library. I’m open to whether it moves or not, but I agree that we should know what we will do with the old building first if we do choose to move it. Also, I would tend to listen to the 49 (!!) pages of signatures! That’s a lot of citizens (and voters). I use the highlands branch most of the time anyways, but if it were relocated to the proposed area, I would definitely not use the downtown library due to parking and one way street issues.
I remember my mom saying that the library was cool because it was built over a river. While I wasn’t jumping out of my chair to go to the library, I did think it was cool and wanted to go see it.
It would be really nice to see it stay where it is.
I can’t see what the city would use the building for if the library moves. We already have the Renton Pavilion Event Center. I’m not sure what would draw more the 5 people a day to that area.
Mark
Doentown Library Location
If the library is moved to the location on 3rd street where a 14 yr.old boy was just shot how are the patrons and employees going to be protected? Will the city or KCLS have security guards present during all hours of library operation? This is a serious matter and needs to be resolve now!!
great place for a Library
from the Renton Reporter (http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/south_king/ren/news/121605028.html):
By DEAN RADFORD
Renton Reporter Editor
Today, 9:20 AM · UPDATED
“The City of Renton will beef up police presence in and around the Renton Transit Center to help control unruly and criminal behavior.”
Great place to put a library.
My 5 cents..
I like the Bellevue Library and I rather have a bigger one like that than two smaller one. Dispite the natural tendance to want to keep the existing over the river library, it will be better in the long run to turn that into something else than trying to work with the limiation.
Oh, speaking of tax.. why in the @^!^# am I paying hundreds of dollars to the crooks over Valley Hosipital? How do we get out of that scam?
-HT
A lot of us would be fine with a 60,000 SqFt replacement library – but spending $10,000,000 to shrink the library is just crazy.
How to fix the Valley scam? Run for the opening seat on the Valley Board.
I’d support you!
Renton Library
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Why do we need to move the library at all? Have citizens who use the library complained about it? Or did this idea come from the business community? If the City Council and businesses want to revitalize Renton, why was the Spirit Train let go? At least why wasn’t it kept as a stationary restaurant? I do not think that revitalizing downtown Renton is a good reason to move a perfectly situated library. How about getting some kind of indoor sports facility into the Big 5 location? That would bring attendance to downtown without ruining a precious Renton landmark.